[Mafia] Codename: MAFIA - Round1 Over, Good Wins by Trickery

[Kennifer]

It's really hard to say actually, since Florien sometimes gets erratic as scum but mostly as town. If they'd doubled down on Matt or something that might be more of a scumread (based on CC2 and the Spamton insistence) though it's hard to say since this is mafia rather than a murdergame and we don't have like... evidence and shit/

Though when they're town they tend to eventually pick correctly... so... (emphasis on "eventually" though in Witch Trip they happened to land on a scum right away... and then suggested a scum for the vigkill... then went after innos so who knows lol)

Still going to observe a bit, though it's mostly between just a couple people now for my first vote and I'll get one in on time (unless someone gets hammered while I'm asleep which... has happened lol)

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

You know what? I can get in on some of this too.

Kennifer, you are like a chameleon. Whenever you're scum, you tend to be pretty cautious. You might give off a few ideas, but still choose to lay back and "observe". Just wait until a consensus is decided. Everyone agrees to vote and you jump right along the train. Now granted you also try to be cautious whenever you're town too. After all, you want to play it safe and make the right call. But you tend to be laid back more when you're scum. I seen it in CC1. You went along with things at first to push an innocent to their deaths, but as thing go further on down, you try to keep your distance and strike when you think it's safe. Does it mean I think you're scum now? Not necessarily, but I'm just saying I'm noticing some of your patterns now. Something to keep an eye out.

Nebula: There, I've added some thoughts of my own. Satisfied? I told you, I needed to think things out before I say them. Find it peculiar you've taken quite the interest in me on how I've done nothing but defend myself up into this point. Of course I would, what else would you do when you've had nothing but heat on you? But if you still don't want to give me the benefit of the doubt? Fine then.... But don't think I won't be watching you either. I had thought maybe at first that the whole little joke might have been innocent at first. But now I'm starting to wonder...

[Florien]

People keep saying they're town, but this is dubious in and of itself. No one is going to go out and say "yes I am the murderer who murders"

I really don't trust whistle. Things make more sense if she's scum, and things make a lot of sense if Matthew's scum, and they also, to some extent, make sense if I'm scum.

So one of us three (obviously I don't think it's me)

probably one of the quiet ones, like MP,

and mayyybe Kennifer, but again I really don't have any grounds for that, that one really is a wild guess and I don't know why.

[Kennifer]

I mean I'd expect everyone to claim to be town, yes. At least until cornered and about to be executed as scum (and even then sometimes people will leave us guessing til the end!)

Anyway yeah I know it's not as hazardous to mislim this early in the game (and it could even give some info on voting patterns) but yeah.

I'm thinking mostly it is Florien or Whistle but I do know Matt is sneaky like that. And I wouldn't discount the quiet ones either. (Especially the ones who aren't quiet due to internet issues/limited time). Like Geek I know has had limited availability (confirmed by stuff on discord servers) and I think smily might still not be online on Sundays and gets offline early during the week even taking timezones into consideration but MP I know at least has been online on Discord a good bit if not here.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

Let me ask then? Why don't you trust Whistle? Is it because of the erratic voting?

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

MP, I can definitely grant you he may very well be one of the killers. Granted, his tendency to keep quiet has more than often led to him being sussed out and becoming innocent all along. But he could very well be using that to his advantage, make us think if he doesn't make his presence known, he'll keep the heat off him.

[Florien]

Here's a thought, what if it's Matt AND Whistle?

That sure would be a Pepsi Twist.

Not saying it is of course, just commenting in a highly suspicious manner.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

Don't dodge the question. If you have anything good to say and explain why Whistle is so sus, say it because you're only cementing my reasons to gun for you.

[Florien]

What question? It's self-evident.

Whistle is acting very weirdly, joining every bandwagon for a bit and then leaving it.

It's muddying the waters.

(Also I'm not the only one who's voiced suspicions and you being defensive makes the pepsi twist seem even twistier)

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

I was being defensive earlier, but not so much now. I just asked you a question. And I do agree that it could be sus. But I simply wondered if you had more. I know you can give intellectual answers on why a person is sus. Was just simply hoping to hear more.

[Florien]

Oh, I could give a bunch of reasons, but the weird bandwagonning is the main thing.

Also we really need to kill someone, and one of us three is the best bet.

(obviously I favor Not-Me as the one who gets killed.)

[NebulaChimera2211]

/vote Matthew (Mr Somebody)

Matthew: Thank you for the analysis on Kennifer, but no.
You put a vote on me instantly for my meme vote (though to your credit retracted it later). That wasn't a deliberated vote.
Not every vote against you is going to be scum.
Not instantly accusing people because it'd attract attention isn't proof of innocence. This seems to be exactly the main reason you accused Kennifer now.
Not every third party is a Jester or even like one. An example would be a Serial Killer. I don't know why you keep mentioning third parties long after we basically dismissed it. Considering how to me, you've mostly just been digging yourself deeper, the main possibilities are either that you're mafia-type evil pretending to be a Jester, or this is a double-bluff and I have just been played. Why an innocent would even hint that they're a Jester is beyond me. Honestly, I think the former is more likely because an actual Jester would use the element of surprise to their advantage, and the fairness of an unannounced Jester in a setup where the roles aren't known would be debatable.
And about your claim: I feel like there has to be more to it than you've let on if you're good. Unlike Florien, I wouldn't have voted you just for being a known Miller.
If there's no Janitor (i.e. no-one shows up as "Cleaned" or something), then DAoM could be anything to me. Because he's barely said a word and his claim is plausible as either side, we have very little to work with.

Whistle: Names ≠ Alignment. I am suspicious of Florien, but I'm more suspicious of artsy and Matthew, and I think the latter should be today's vote. We'll come back for Florien unless we have any new leads in the meantime. Just be careful.

Florien: What makes sense if Whistle is scum, aside from her behaviour? Sheeping is a thing. It's weird that she sheep-voted onto you rather than Matthew, who I'm more sus of. But her claim is believable to me; I think that if she's this new, she couldn't have made it up. For now, she has the benefit of the doubt to me.

Kennifer: I've not paid enough attention to you, admittedly. But considering that I had a bunch of other scumreads/scumleans, I townlean you by process of elimination right now. But I should read what you've said properly.
I feel like it's strange that Florien isn't doubling down on Matthew right now, considering that they said we should just off him instantly for the Miller claim. They may be using Whistle as an opportunity to draw attention away from him. So even if Matthew is evil, be aware that they may have bussed him.

[SmilyCube112]

Well, we've had plenty of time for discussions, but I believe we now have less than 24 hours left to cast our votes, so let's make voting a priority now.

And with the way things are going, it looks like Matthew is the first to be voted out, unless I'm mistaken, but for now, I'll wait until 7PM BST before casting my vote, just in case anyone else has anything else to add (highly doubt it, though).

[Florien]

I think it's both, but if we're going Matthew I'll do the same. It seems to track.

/Vote Matthew

[Whistle]

I'm not gonna switch my trigger finger and suspicion finger just yet, but I'm considering it.

[LavenderDream]

/vote Matthew
Sorry, but Nebula and Florien both have points.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

At least I've been cooperating like when I asked. Florien hasn't even done that when I asked why Whistle might be guilty. Doesn't even seem to be taking this serious at this point. I know I've been sus here, but don't you think that's even more sus than the way I've been acting?

[Florien]

I did explain.

Anyway moving on.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

You are awfully quick to rid of me, aren't you? You're all about to make a mistake getting rid of me. Remember when I flip...

[Florien]

yeah yeah whatever

Even if you do, Whistle or me is next in line regardless of what happens.

Also, the weird accusing me of not explaining why I picked whistle when I did explain seems off anyway.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

Always have to have the last word, huh? At least I've decided to give Whistle the benefit of the doubt. Not just deciding to put people on a chopping block order like you have. What, you'd rather just chew through everyone until you get it right? Great strategy

[Florien]

Says the person who's trying to get the last word and who isn't giving anyone else the benefit of the doubt. This is why I'm thinking it's both of you.

And yeah, chewing through everyone until the correct answer happens is how mafia works. So it is a great strategy.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

I guess you missed the fact that I did so give others the benefit of the doubt? I did so with Nebula and I did so with you when I asked you to explain why you thought Whistle was guilty.

And sure, chewing through people is a great strategy: if you're scum and just hope they kill off others before they get to you, which I'm sure they will eventually if they decide to go after you. If it's not too late that is. You're just like the Pied Piper leading everyone to their doom. Why they trust you, I don't know. Sure you've lead people to success before as town, but you've also proven deadly as scum. But keep on gathering your little sheep as you lead them all into the slaughterhouse.

[TenOfSwords13]

NOTE: Day will end on July 29th at 8PM BST / 3PM EDT

Current votes:
- Matthew - 3 (Florien, Nebula, Lavender)
- Florien - 2 (Matthew, Whistle)

[Kennifer]

Wait I thought Florien and Whistle voted for each other or did that get undone?