[Mafia] Codename: MAFIA - Round1 Over, Good Wins by Trickery

[Florien]

Hm. Matthew roleclaims miller of some persuasion. Obviously that's a policy-elimination, but I like my idea of getting rid of the more irritating thing first.

Right then, first, we compromise "compromise", then we make "somebody" pay for their crimes. That fails both, we look for the "light."

Lav drips with being some kind of bomber, I don't trust voting that off, as that probably leads to more people dying, though if they could clarify whether or not they'd get to direct their explosion, I would like to know. Because if it can be directed, there's a clear play.

As for Whistle, if you just tell me what your protection thing that you're implying you have does exactly, whether you were bound to a player from the start or if you can redirect your boundness, that would be useful.

Also maybe what player you're bound to so we can verify some things.

[SmilyCube112]

Seriously? I just woke up to see this. I'm not THAT kind of compromise - I'm not aiming to sabotage stuff!

[Florien]

Mafia is uncompromising. You compromise us with your very name! (In fact there are no unambiguously positive definitions of compromise in this context. Either you're compromising us in some way or you're going to force us to compromise when that cannot possibly end well, neither seems a good option.)

DEATH I SAY! DEATH! LO! HARK! DEATH! SMITE THIS POTENTIALLY WICKED ONE!

[SmilyCube112]

Do I have to explain my role just to get you lot to not vote me off?

[Florien]

No, because even the explanation won't stop us.

But do explain if you want, please.

[SmilyCube112]

I'm on the side of Good here, and my role makes it so if no players are executed while only three remain, then the side of Good wins.

In short, you're throwing a guaranteed late-game victory for the Good people here.

[Florien]

Actually that's a pretty terrible role. Because every single round someone's going to be executed. We're never going to actually skip an execution. No point in protecting you. Of course, I can redirect this onto a more viable target.

On to the policy elimination then. Can't have a miller running about standing in the gears of progress. Unless there are objections and redirections to be done, and unless the miller can state a convincing reason as to why not to do this, other than "but i'm the miller believe me guys", such as additional abilities.

/vote Matthew (Mr. Somebody)

After this, we need to check the light and the electricity that powers it, to extend the metaphors too far. Maybe shank a few others while we're at it.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

You're really wanting to waste your vote on someone like me? I have given off more possible suspects on who it could be. Pointed out that there are a couple people here who seem like they could be suspicious. And you just automatically decided I'm disposable for no good reason? If you insist on getting trigger-happy as you like to do, I suggest you save your bullet on someone more viable. At the very least I have cooperated when I was asked. Is that not enough? What does Whistle know? Depending on the answer, it might give me an idea on who to go for. And believe me, you're one of those on my list now!

[Florien]

Not personal, but there's a very good reason I'm going for you. You claimed, essentially, miller. The role that screams "well you can't prove I'm really guilty if you look at me even if it says guilty".

That's a policy eliminate role.

No millers permitted, because they undermine everything. Essentially, either you're a detriment to the town by role, or lying, in which case you're not town at all, and should be killed. Considering we have no other bits of compelling information... time to grind some metaphorical flour.

DEATH!

[Whistle]

Yes, Florien, I'm bound to a player from the start. If someone kills them, then I can sacrifice myself to kill someone else in their place.
As far as you, Matthew, the only thing I know, aside from the nicknames, is the identity of my Godchild. For now I'd rather protect their identity, but I don't  doubt that they're on the side of Good, unless their nickname turns out to be a really interesting euphemism... I'll DM them soon to verify that they are.

[Florien]

cool cool great

I think I know who you speak of. (Insert audible wink here).

Anyway moving on.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

Thank you for co-operating, Whistle. I don't really blame you there. Don't set yourself up for a loss if you can help it. I respect that you want to keep this person's identity a secret.

But now I'm moving down my list. Florien, you sure like to play spin-the-bottle with your voting. And then it landed on Smily, just choosing to go after him for no just cause. And then you decide it's worth it to kill me just because of my Miller role. You'd just rather waste it on me than someone more substantial. That's making me ask questions about you. You're tossing your votes around like they're Halloween candy. And now I'll oblige. I got some sweets of my own. Trick or treat!

/Vote Florien (World-Famous Actor Lewis Martingale)

Chew on that!

[Florien]

Metaphorically delicious.

Look, it's policy elimination. You are actively dangerous to the town by your claimed role, or you are lying. These are the only options here. And considering that I'm legitimately actually really truly completely verifiably the most trustworthy trust-person here who you should trust with your lives and all your property and also other things that are valuable and you would not want to trust the wrong person (someone not like me) with, I need everyone to trust me on this.

This will all work out fine if my lead is followed. My lead is almost never ultimately incorrect. Now, if you were interested in setting off the obvious-bomber-who-is-obvious-who-will-probably-kill-whoever-votes-for-them, you COULD do that. But you could also cooperate with the mathematically good option and self-eliminate in service of the town. After all, the town wins together, so if you really are a miller, you lose nothing by your own death.

[Mr. Lee Hammer]

Right, listen to someone who's lead countless innocents to their deaths in past games. Listen to someone who says "I'm so trustworthy! Why? Because I say so." At least I'm trying to use logic and not proclaim I should be trusted, but not give any good reason to. If you're on the side of good like you say you are, what are you exactly, hmm? What good reason can you give us besides "You can trust me, because I'm Florien. I can be trusted to do anything." I get your point of policy elimination, but try to make some sense, hmm?

[Florien]

It's coherent.

Trust me. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.

[Whistle]

Now hang on Flor, is this "obvious-bomber-who-is-obvious" a subtle hint that it's you?

[Florien]

what no

It's lavender as I said earlier. Name like Kamikaze? What else could it be other than some "kill whoever goes after them, alternately by nightkill or by vote but probably not both?"

[Whistle]

Ahhh... yeah, forgot about them for a sec there. My mistake.

[NebulaChimera2211]

If you want more suggestions about what roles people could be as baddies just by their names:
Electric Eternity: One-Shot Reviver* and/or Doctor*/CPR Doctor*
Madame History and Miss Illustrator: Tailor
Ms Existential: Investigation-Immune and/or Tailor
Mr Somebody: Investigation-Immune and/or Janitor
The Punk Godmother: Investigation-Immune and/or Lover*
Corporal Compromise: Governor*/vote manipulator*, Poisoner and/or Paranoid Gun Owner*
World-Famous Actor Lewis Martingale: Investigation-Immune and/or Roleblocker*
Agent Kamikaze: Exploder, Bomb or Vengeful*
*: This role can plausibly be an innocent role as well.

I think this'd help because we can deduce who's bad based on what the scum does at night.

TheOtherCG: Stick around to see how the rest of the day pans out. It's far from over.

Matthew: FoS. Outsider is a strange claim, especially as you claimed only when pressured. If there's an investigative role in the game, it'd be good for this information to be out there as soon as possible.
As a side note, I thought your alias would imply someone nondescript more.

Florien: What breadcrumbs did Matthew leave behind, exactly? Why do you want to know Whistle's target, assuming she's telling the truth?
You've been aggressive, but since as far as I remember you were like that in the last game, that might just be how you roll.
What I will say that unless there's any other killing roles active, a miselimination today turns tomorrow into MELo at best unless there's a protective role involved. The worst case (assuming 7v3 and Whistle's telling the truth) is that Whistle's godchild gets targeted and she kills an innocent to save them.

Whistle: Don't assume your godchild is good unless it says so in your role PM (in which case don't copy-paste it).

There might be a chance that it's 7v2v1 instead of 7v3. I'm beginning to think that Matthew could be a Jester in that case. If not, then Whistle could also be a Condemner/Uncondemner.

[Florien]

I don't think team and name correlate. Only team and role. And I don't think roles have to be ones that exist in mafia normally. And I don't think there's a third party, we'd have been told of the third party's existence. Anyway, miller is policy eliminate. We have no other information, and again, explicitly, the names don't correlate to teams at all, that was established at the start, and the roles generated may not be even close to standard roles, so we can't work on that.

So join with me in eliminating the miller/liarwhoislyingaboutthatrole.

[Florien]

Oh, as for breadcrumbs, matthew talked about "Light" "not looking into it" and "blinding" which implied he knows something about Lieutenant Light, considering the weird capitalization of "Light" and the utterly bizarre phrasing. It felt breadcrumbesque.

[NebulaChimera2211]

Florien: Kennifer and I agreed name and alignment don't correlate, but name and role do; I just listed hypothetical roles based on the names, assuming scum and that role and alignment correlate. You do have a point that people's roles could be just made for this. I was basing my guesses of existing roles because otherwise there's not much to work with.
I agree that it's unlikely that one of the evil people is a third party. I was just throwing it out there.
There's a chance that Matthew's genuinely a Miller, but I think it'd come with some sort of perk(s) that he's hiding. It'd be even more suspicious to claim Miller after someone claimed to get a guilty result for him, and I'd definitely put at least a policy vote on him then. But since no-one claims a guilty result on him yet, the main issue (an investigative role reveals themselves to get an innocent eliminated) disappears, and the new problem becomes that a guilty result on him can't necessarily be trusted. Though statistically speaking, a guilty result is more likely to be scum unless the investigator is Insane or Paranoid, or there's loads of Millers.

On the subject of Millers: If anyone else wants to claim "I'm good but investigative roles think I'm evil" is part of their role, I'm giving you until this time tomorrow to speak up. You don't have to make a full claim, just let us know anyone investigating you should expect a "guilty" result.

Another thing for Whistle: You mentioned that you can PM your godchild. Can your godchild send a reply to you?

Smily: Your claim seems believable to me, but it'd be risky to trust it when the fate of the game is on the line. Does your ability trigger in other ELo scenarios (e.g. 3v2)?

Before I commit to a vote, I'd like to hear what Despair's Archon of Memes and artsyGeek have to say, if anything. I'd also like to know if Lavender and TheOtherCG have anything to add.

[artsyGeek]

[guess who forgot this game existed for a moment. me :')]

You're. . Asking me about my role, right? Well, uh. If that is the case, it is — coincidentally enough, judging by the preexisting mafia role convo — quite similar to a role I have a track record of holding in murdergames. 

. .which is probably not the most known thing in the world, come to think of it. Crap.

[NebulaChimera2211]

I didn't ask for your role. I asked for your thoughts of what's going on, and any suspicions you have.

[Florien]

Eeehhh

Medic.

Roleblocker.

Busdriver.

Vigilante.

Elaborate please. You have a varied history.